While I've been researching my family history for many years, it is only in the last few years that I've been using genetic genealogy to help solve some of these long standing mysteries and have been able to take some of these lines back further.
This is where I hope to write about some of the DNA discoveries that I've made.
Smith has long been the most common surname in the English speaking world. So how do we correctly identify which Smith family is ours? Can I use some of Ancestry’s tools to help confirm the correct family in a fairly populated area like the Midlands in the UK in the late 1700s? I think I have!
In June 2024, Ancestry released Pro Tools, an add-on membership that gives you access to advanced DNA and family history tools. Pro Tools requires an additional subscription of approximately A$15 per month (although there have been occasional sales). For the keen genetic genealogist it is a “must have” feature.
The key DNA feature Enhanced Shared Matches lets you see how much DNA your matches share and their predicted relationships to each other. This feature is already available at MyHeritage and 23andMe, however the sheer size of the Ancestry database makes it a much more powerful tool.
How many times have you looked at a DNA match only to see that they don’t have a tree or that their tree is only small and only lists private people. However, if they have a close family member who has tested and who does have a reasonable tree, it can help to determine how this match might connect as well. It can also be helpful if you are working on an unknown cluster to determine who their shared common ancestor is.
Another Ancestry tool is ThruLines, which illustrate how you may be connected to a particular DNA match through a common ancestor. You and your DNA matches must have public or private searchable trees that are linked to AncestryDNA tests, ideally at least 3–4 generations deep.
Thrulines for Mary Bratt - matches for Colin Hails
ThruLines do not validate your relationships with DNA matches, but they make it easier to view supporting information such as family trees, historical records, and shared DNA. This allows you to reach your own conclusions about how you might be connected.
Family Tree showing my connection back to my paternal 5x great grandmother, Hannah Smith
Background
My 5xgreat grandmother, Hannah Smith was born c1792 in Tipton, Staffordshire. She married John Plimmer on 29 September 1813 in St. Bartholomew's Wednesbury, Staffordshire. Unfortunately, as this is prior to civil registration, details of their fathers names and occupations are not provided.
Hannah's Timeline
Hannah and her husband, John, an Edge Tool Maker (and later a Retail Brewer), had seven known children who were all born in Wednesbury between 1816 and 1830. By 1841, the family were living in the parish of Aston in Birmingham, Warwickshire and Hannah died there on 7 February 1871.
Census records gave Hannah’s birthplace as Tipton and there were two potential baptisms there, one in 1791, daughter of David and Phebe, the other in 1795 daughter of Joseph and Hannah. Did either of these relate to Hannah? Prior to DNA testing, I felt it most likely that her parents were David and Phebe.
Census records confirming Hannah's birthplace
Ancestry Thrulines
Possible baptism for Hannah from Dudley St. Thomas Bishop's Transcripts
When Ancestry’s ThruLines were introduced in 2019, there were no hints for Hannah Smith’s parentage. Over time, however, hints began to appear suggesting Henry Smith and Mary Bratt as potential parents—neither of the couples I had previously considered.
A baptism for Hannah, daughter of Henry and Mary Smith, dated 22 July 1792, was located in the neighbouring town of Dudley, in the parish of St Thomas. This could relate to Hannah.
I began exploring the ThruLines matches, building out their trees and using Enhanced Shared Matches for each DNA kit I had access to.
In addition to my own test, I have tested my father and his maternal cousin Marilyn. I also have access to the AncestryDNA results of my paternal cousin Sandie, two third cousins (Dallas and Brad), and a third cousin twice removed, Victor. All share Hannah’s daughter, Mary Plimmer, as their most recent common ancestor.
DNA Testers
For my father and Marilyn, I can view ThruLine hints back to Henry Smith and Mary Bratt as their potential 5x great-grandparents—the furthest back ThruLines will extend. I can also view Victor’s ThruLine hints, as they are his 4x great-grandparents.
Summary of potential ThruLines matches for Colin, Marilyn and Victor
This table summarises the number of DNA matches suggested by ThruLines for each of the three kits, across six of Henry and Mary’s children.
As Henry and Mary are 6× great-grandparents for Sandie, Dallas, Brad, and myself, our ThruLines do not extend that far. However, I was still able to identify shared DNA matches with individuals found in the earlier analysis.
Enhanced Shared Matches
I will now focus on my review of my father’s matches through Mary’s son Henry, using Ancestry’s Enhanced Shared Matches (Pro Tools).
ThruLines for Mary Bratt through son Henry Smith - potential matches to Colin
While exploring these matches individually, I noticed that many of their shared matches overlapped with other Smith/Bratt descendants, as well as descendants of Hannah Smith and John Plimmer, or their daughter Mary Plimmer and her husband Henry Williams.
Enhanced Shared Matches Example
The table below summarises the number of shared matches and the range of centimorgans they shared with Colin and the match. It also shows how many known or confirmed matches each has and how many of these also had Common Ancestor hints. Of the known matches I've then broken down which generation the shared match comes through.
Clustering
After analysing all matches, I created a matrix depicting 76 shared matches across six of Henry Smith and Mary Bratt’s children. Unfortunately, because many matches are under 20 cM, Ancestry’s clustering feature did not generate useful visuals. This chart was therefore prepared manually using Excel.
Matrix of Smith Bratt matches
As expected, we share more matches with Hannah’s descendants, as this is our direct line. However, it is encouraging to see multiple shared matches across several branches of the family, providing additional support in lieu of segment data.
The McGuire chart below further illustrates shared matches across different branches of the family.
McGuire Chart of Smith/Bratt Matches
By building out the trees for all ThruLines matches, I was able to identify several additional matches with small or unlinked trees that had not appeared as Common Ancestor hints. As a result, I have now identified 99 known matches.
Confirmed matches through children of Henry Smith and Mary Bratt
I’ve also identified an additional two children. While we don’t have genetic evidence with the 6 testers that I've analysed, it’s possible their descendants may match with others in the broader group of matches.
Chromosome Analysis
I also examined matches who had uploaded their DNA to sites offering segment data and identified several triangulated groups. These could be traced back through the Phibbs/Williams, Williams/Plimmer, Plimmer/Smith, and ultimately the Smith/Bratt line.
Phibbs, Williams, Plimmer, Smith, Bratt segments
Reviewing each triangulated group helps confirm connections across generations.
Segment data summary
Stephen is a known fourth cousin who descends from Henry Williams and Mary Plimmer through their daughter Ada, as does R. Allway, who likely descends from the same couple. Kimberly and several other “unknown” matches are also shared matches for Phillip and Carole, suggesting this segment may trace back to the Smith/Bratt couple.
Charlotte and Phyllis are both confirmed Plimmer/Smith descendants. After initially writing this blog and sharing it with matches, Jane uploaded her results to GEDmatch. As she triangulates with Charlotte, this adds further confidence that the segment originates with the Smith/Bratt line.
Additional Documentary Evidence
As a welcome surprise, I uncovered additional documentary evidence. John and Hannah Plimmer appear as witnesses at the marriages of two of Hannah’s sisters.
The first is the marriage of Mary Smith to John Wesley in 1825. Unfortunately, I have only been able to locate a transcript for this marriage on FreeREG.
The second is the marriage of Phoebe Holmes (née Smith) to George Sillitoe in 1834, for which I located a poor-quality image confirming John and Hannah as witnesses.
Marriage of George Sillitoe and Phoebe Holmes (nee Smith)
The 1861 census shows Phoebe Sillitoe and her daughter Hannah living with Phoebe’s sister Elizabeth Hobbins in West Bromwich, along with two of Elizabeth’s granddaughters—an excellent example of the FAN Club principle (Friends, Associates, and Neighbours).
Another notable observation is the repetition of certain given names, particularly Syndonia (16 occurrences) and Phoebe (12 occurrences).
Research Conclusion
On the balance of probabilities, I am confident that both the genetic and documentary evidence support my conclusion that Hannah Smith was the daughter of Henry Smith and Mary Bratt, my 6× great-grandparents.
I would encourage anyone who has taken an AncestryDNA test to consider uploading their results to databases with a chromosome browser, such as:
FamilyTreeDNA
Gedmatch
LivingDNA
All of these sites offer free uploads, with only a nominal fee required to access advanced tools.
Click here for instructions on how to download your Ancestry data and upload to other databases.
Version
This blogpost was originally published on 6 March, 2025 and updated on 10 January, 2026.
A DNA match alone doesn't prove a relationship to a particular ancestral couple, but they can provide further evidence to support a theory. In this case, a collection of DNA matches who also shared the same segment of DNA helped to identify further children of the ancestral couple and provided further evidence to confirm their relationships.
This is my mum's chromosome map - what is a chromosome map and how did some of this information help me find the Forrest family?
Mum's Chromosome Map from DNA Painter
Chromosome mapping is a technique used in genetic genealogy using autosomal DNA results. The goal is to identify which ancestors were the source of various segments of your DNA. Once you discover how you’re related to someone, you can figure out which ancestor is likely to have been the source the DNA you share with them. It's an ongoing process and to date, I've mapped or assigned about 46% of mum's genome to known ancestors. It's just like a jigsaw puzzle! Each colour represents confirmed DNA matches to a specific ancestor or ancestral couple.
Legend - Mum's Chromosome Map
Below is the pedigree chart for my maternal grandmother, Helen Forrest McDougall, using the Ancestral Trees tool from DNA Painter website. I’ve also used the DNA Filters feature to indicate those ancestors that I’ve been able to confirm through DNA analysis.
Pedigree Chart for Helen Forrest McDougall showing DNA confirmed ancestors
Prior to DNA testing I had been unable to research my tree beyond my grandmother's great grandmother and namesake, Helena Annie Forrest. I've recently identified over 25 DNA matches back to Helena’s parents - my 4th-Great-Grandparents, David Forrest and Margaret Anderson and a further 12 DNA matches back through Margaret’s parents, James Anderson and Cockburn Smith, my 5th-Great-Grandparents, enabling me to take my research back a further two generations.
Helena married Alexander Dougal (later McDougall), a weaver, in Girvan, Ayrshire, Scotland in 1835. She can’t be identified on the 1841 census, but is on the 1851 census in Girvan with her husband and children. The census indicated that she was born about 1819 in Edinburgh. Her son, George, my 2nd-Great-Grandfather, was born in 1855 and his birth certificate also states that his mother was born in Edinburgh. Unfortunately, while Helena is listed on all the later census, they indicate that she was born in Girvan, which was not helpful!
Death Certificate - Eleanor Annie McDougall - 16 October 1886
Helena's death certificate in 1886 provided details of her parents, David Forrest, a shoemaker and Margaret Anderson, and confirmed that they were both deceased.
I tested my mum at Ancestry in 2018 and also have access to two of my aunts kits, I have also tested Mum at 23andMe. Mum and her sisters results have since been uploaded to other sites including MyHeritage, Family Tree DNA (FTDNA) and Gedmatch. These sites provide access to their shared segment data with their matches, which is required to undertake chromosome analysis, and also identifies matches who may have tested and/or uploaded to the other sites. I’ve confirmed DNA matches back to Helena and her husband Alexander through 3 of their children at Ancestry and more recently at 23andMe.
Confirmed DNA matches back to Helena Forrest and Alexander McDougall
No baptism for Helena can be found in the Old Parish Registers, but I have located baptisms for five children born to a David Forrest and Margaret Anderson between 1800 and 1807 in Livingston, Midlothian, which is about 25 km west of Edinburgh. There is a gap between the last recorded baptism for David in 1807 and Helena’s possible birth, but could they also be her parents?
Baptisms at Scotlands People for children of David Forrest and Margaret Anderson
I decided to add the family to my Ancestry tree, also adding the Research Status tree tags Hypothesis and Unverified to warn anyone else that they were still speculative.
Using Tree Tags at Ancestry
ThruLines™is an Ancestry feature that groups your DNA matches under potential common ancestors, so I was excited to see soon after updating my tree, that ThruLines™ had generated a couple of potential matches, through a son named Peter Forrest.
ThruLines™ showing potential DNA matches through descendants of David Forrest
Like my ancestor, Helena, there was no baptism record for Peter either, however, census records indicated he was born about 1817 in Blackburn which is also near Livingston in Midlothian. His death certificate gave his parents as David Forrest, a master shoemaker and Margaret Anderson, so could he be another child of this same couple?
Peter and his wife, Isabella Wilkie had 9 children and we now had DNA matches through three of those lines. As a result, I added Peter and his children to my tree using the Hypothesis and Unverified tree tags while I continued searching and gathered more evidence.
Fast forward a few months and I received a message from Cathy in Canada, a 3rd cousin DNA match, who I’d contacted a few years earlier, asking me how confident I was that David Forrest and Margaret Anderson were Helena’s parents.
I was reasonably confident as mum and her sisters shared many of the same matches with Peter’s descendants, which had provided us with tree triangulation and the family names also supported the connection. However, given the matches were beyond 3rd cousins, we really needed to be able to compare segment data.
Although Cathy and mum shared 29 centimorgans (cM) at Ancestry - they had no shared matches, other than myself and one of my aunts. Although they both matched Cathy, neither of my aunts had any additional shared matches with Cathy either, so I was curious to know if Cathy matched with any of Peter Forrest descendants, or the matches from 23andMe.
Mum's match with Cathy in Canada and their shared matches Sharing preferences
Cathy agreed to share her match list with me as a collaborator as I had offered to start grouping her matches for her. Cathy had also uploaded to MyHeritage where she and mum shared 42 centimorgans, which was consistent with Ancestry’s unweighted results.
Comparison of Mum and Cathy's matches grouped into the McDougall and Forrest lines
Once I had access to Cathy’s match list I was able to confirm that she too shared several of the matches from the Peter Forrest line. As these were mostly below 20 centimorgans, they had not appeared in the shared match tab for any of Ancestry kits I had access to.
I could also see we shared many other potential matches and added them to our groups for further analysis.
I continued to build out my tree and Ancestry’s ThruLines™updated again, identifying more matches through another two possible children of David and Margaret - Margaret and Jessie.
ThruLines™ showing suggested matches through descendants of Margaret Anderson
Once again, no baptism records for Margaret or Jessie could be found, however both gave their father’s name as David Forrest, a cordwainer or shoemaker at the time of their marriages, and their parents were recorded as David Forrest and Margaret Anderson at their deaths, so I'm confident they are all descended from the same couple.
Analysis of Cathy’s shared matches with mum and her sisters at MyHeritage revealed that some of the Ancestry matches had also tested or uploaded to MyHeritage. I was able to compare the shared segments for these matches and confirmed that they triangulated - meaning they shared some of the same segments. MyHeritage add a symbol to the right of the match indicating they share triangulated segments.
Mum's match with John at My Heritage showing triangulated matches with David and Robina
Some of these new matches, like David and Robina, take us back yet another generation, to Margaret’s parents - James Anderson and Cockburn Smith, and are descendants of Margaret’s sister, Susan.
Comparison of kits at Gedmatch between Mum, John, David and Alan
David and John were good bridging matches between the sites, as they had also uploaded to Gedmatch, where I was able to compare the various kits with each other.
Both David and Robina also shared their Ancestry results with me as well, which was helpful in confirming where many of the other shared matches connected in our trees.
Mum also had known matches at 23andMe that I had already identified and painted into mum’s chromosome map.
Mum's known matches back to Helena Forrest and Alexander McDougall from 23andMe
The chromosome map at DNA Painter allowed me to paint our shared segments from all of the sites and visually compare the overlapping segments. Below is a snapshot showing all available segment data between each of the matches with mum and her sisters back to their most recent common ancestral couple.
Mum's chromosome map showing matches back to the McDougal/Forrest/Anderson/Smith lines
I have zoomed in on those chromosomes where we have triangulated segments. Primarily Chromosomes 4, 6 and 7.
Chromosome Map focus on David's shared segments
You may see slightly different results for the same match at different testing sites as they do test at different locations. For example, David has uploaded his Ancestry results to both MyHeritage and Gedmatch. Gedmatch reports that he shares two small segments on chromosome 4, while MyHeritage uses imputation to add to the results of people who upload results from different vendors, and in this case appear to have joined these segments together.
Chromosome Map - Chromosome 4
In relation to the shared segments on Chromosome 4, you can see that I have currently mapped them to the three sets of Common Ancestors, based on the relationship of the match to mum:
Graeme, a 3rd cousin, once removed (3C1R), is mapped to the 2nd-Great-Grandparents, Alexander McDougall and Helena Forrest
John, a 4th cousin, is mapped to the 3rd-Great-Grandparents, James Forrest and Margaret Anderson
Alan, David and Robina, all 5th cousins, are mapped to the 4th-Great-Grandparents, James Anderson and Cockburn Smith
However, all these segments can actually be attributed and painted to the 4th-Great-Grandparents, James Anderson and Cockburn Smith.
Chromosome Map - Chromosome 6
While, Chromosome 6 can be attributed to the 3rd-Great-Grandparents, James Forrest and Margret Anderson.
I have also asked Robina if she would consider uploading to Gedmatch, as I am sure my mum shares this segment with her and that there is an anomaly at MyHeritage, as Robina shares this segment with my aunt, my sister and my niece.
Thrulines™ showing suggested matches through descendants of James Anderson
Through collaboration with David and Robina and sharing our Ancestry results with each other we've now also been able to build and confirm our trees back further. Mum's Thrulines™has identified a further 9 matches back to the next generation - James Anderson and Cockburn Smith, through their daughters, Susan and Isobel.
While Thrulines™are great for providing hints as to how we connect with some of our matches, I use a spreadsheet for tracking all our known matches and also use a programme called GDAT (Genealogical DNA Analysis Tool) to analyse matches further.
The What Are The Odds tool (WATO) at DNA Painter a simple way of visualising matches across the different platforms and it’s also an easy way to share information with others working on the same families. I'm also now adding a link to the privatised WATO tree to the profiles for the Common Ancestors in my Ancestry tree.
WATO tool used to track confirmed matches
I would love for more of our shared matches to upload to sites with a chromosome browser. I know we have inherited additional DNA through other segments from these couples. My Auntie Irene doesn’t share these segments on Chromosome 4 or 6 with any of these matches that I've used in this analysis, but she is a match with several other matches on these lines at Ancestry - so it must be on a different chromosome/s!
Many thanks to Cathy, David, Anne, Robina and Nicolette for sharing their Ancestry results with me.
I have been researching my family history since the early 1980s and in 1989 I completed the Diploma in Family Historical Studies through SAG. My thesis was based on one of my paternal families - The Brimbles who immigrated to Australia in 1850 from Kingston Deverill, Wiltshire.
I took a DNA test with AncestryDNA in 2017 and was fascinated to find matches that confirmed my research. I realised what a benefit it would be to test other family members, so subsequently tested my parents and my sister. I have now also tested two aunt’s and have access to several cousins kits as well.
The Brimble and Forward families
Family tree of my paternal grandfather, Alfred Hails
My 3 x great grandmother, Isabella Brimble was baptised on 22 Feb 1835 at St Mary’s the parish church of Kingston Deverill, the youngest of 7 known children born to John Brimble and Sarah Forward. John and Sarah had married at Kingston Deverill on 26 May 1817.
Her father, John, a shepherd, was born in 1785 the son of James Brimble and Priscilla Maidment of Kingston Deverill, a village in the Deverill Valley. The six villages of the valley – Kingston, Monkton, Brixton Deverill, Hill Deverill, Longbridge Deverill and Crockerton – are known as the Deverills.
Her mother, Sarah Forward was born in 1794, the daughter of John Forward and Hannah Mills in the small town of Mere, which is just 6 km away.
Children of John Brimble and Sarah Forward
At the time I completed my thesis we knew:
The five younger children were still living at home with their parents at the time of the 1841 census.
John died on 19 October 1844, aged 58 and was buried in St Mary’s churchyard.
At some point, Sarah and four of her children made the decision to immigrate to Australia but were unable to obtain passage on the same ship.
Sarah, Jonathan and Isabella travelled on the Lord Stanley and arrived in Port Jackson on 26 August, 1850. After their arrival, they made their way to the Newcastle district.
Andrew Brimble and Sophia Brimble the Emigrant
The other two children, Sophia and Andrew, together with Andrew’s wife, Louisa and daughter Emily had obtained passage on the Emigrant which departed from Plymouth in April 1850. No doubt seeking a better life in Australia, they knew nothing of the ordeal that lay ahead as they endured a typhus outbreak on a disease ravaged ship. When the Emigrant arrived in Moreton Bay on 13 August, the nightmare continued as they spent a further three long months in quarantine on Stradbroke Island.
Sophia was not listed on the shipping indents, but she is mentioned in a letter written by the ship's Captain Kemp, which was published in the Moreton Bay Courier, 7 Sep 1850. She died at sea on 28 July, four days after the ship had entered Bass Strait, of fever.
Shipping records indicated that a child named William was born to Andrew and Louisa on 13 August, the same day the ship entered Moreton Bay. He was later baptised as Andrew Brimble on 24 October on Stradbroke Island.
Ironically, although shipping records indicated Andrew Senior's health was good on arrival, he died just three days after his son's baptism. It’s believed that his failing health and imminent death, may explain the change in his son’s name.
Another John Brimble, Andrew’s father’s cousin, was also onboard with his wife Elizabeth and their three children. Elizabeth also died from typhus and their young son, Samuel died from burns he received in an accident whilst they were still in quarantine.
Report of Samuel Brimble's death [Morton Bay Courier - 5 Oct 1850]
A total of 40 people died of typhus fever, following its outbreak on board the Emigrant. A memorial plaque has since been erected to mark the graves of those who died at Dunwich and during the voyage.
The book, The Tragedy of the "Emigrant" Ship of Death was released last year by Queensland author, Jane Smith.
Ship of Death by Jane Smith
The Emigrant is also featured in Kerry O'Brien's episode of Who Do You Think You Are as his ancestors were also onboard.
Christchurch, Newcastle
Sarah did not live very long after their arrival in the colony and she died in 1 May 1851 and was buried at Christchurch Burial Ground, Newcastle.
Andrew’s widow, Louisa was reunited with her husband’s family in Newcastle and on 10 Jan 1853, a triple marriage ceremony took place at Christchurch. The first was the marriage of Louisa to James May. The next ceremony was between Isabella and John Court, and the final ceremony between Jonathan and Bridget Egan.
Louisa and James May went on to have 10 children together.
Isabella and John Court had a family of seven children - they are my 2 x great grandparents.
Jonathan and Bridget did not have any children and sadly he died just five years later of stomach cancer.
What happened to the other 3 children?
James and Harriet did not appear on the 1841 census with the rest of the family. At the time I completed my thesis, I had consulted a number of resources that were available, but had no success locating any of them.
Over the years, as more records became available online I was eventually able to find out what happened to James and Harriett.
James married Ann Smith on 02 Nov 1840 at Midsomer Norton in Somerset, his sister, Harriett was one of the witnesses.
Marriage Certificate - James Maidment Brimble and Ann Smith - 1840
He and Ann were living at Stratton on Foss at the time of the 1841 census and then later settled in Midsomer Norton and went on to have ten children.
James died on 13 August 1870 in Midsomer Norton, Somerset, at the age of 53, and was buried in Downside, Somerset.
About a year ago, I noticed my father and his 3rd cousin, PA, had a shared DNA match at both AncestryDNA and MyHeritage with KG. She had a small unlinked tree of 4 people at AncestryDNA, and no tree at My Heritage. I must have felt like a challenge that day, but with birth and death details for her father in the USA, I felt I had enough to make a start on a Quick and Dirty tree.
I was able to trace KG’s maternal line back to her 2 x great grandfather, James Maidment Brimble. James's widow, Ann and 2 daughters, Kate and Eliza had immigrated to the USA in 1877. Eliza is KG’s great grandmother.
KG also has a number of shared matches with other known Brimble and Forward descendants.
Harriett Brimble
Harriett, was baptised at St. Mary's on 23 May, 1820 the same day as her second cousin, George, the son of John's cousin, Thomas Brimble.
Harriet was found living in Bath as a servant at the time of the 1841 census and she married George Hendershot Saxty in 1844 at St. James, Bath.
Harriet and George immigrated to the USA where they are noted on the 1850 census in New York with their 3 young children who were all born in the UK. They had a further three children.
Her husband, George was naturalised in 1856 and in 1862 enlisted in the Civil War with the 109th Infantry Company of the New York Regiment with the rank of Musician.
Harriett died in January 1901 having lived a long life of 81 years and is buried at Prospect Hill Cemetery, Washington, DC.
I had contact with a descendant of this branch of the family about 15-20 years ago after I had put my thesis online. However, more recently I’ve been able to confirm another 5 DNA matches on this line, including the daughter of my previous contact, which was nice to reconnect.
Shared matches
One afternoon, late in 2018 I decided to do some surname searches of our AncestryDNA matches to see if there were any new results.
I found a new match - BB - who had a tree, and I could see that she descended from Harriet Brimble. She was a shared match with my cousin, and also with another match, ED.
Shared matches between CH and BB at AncestryDNA
I'd been in contact with ED who was from Canada, when I first got my results some 18 months earlier, but at the time, we had no shared matches and couldn't see a connection.
Extract from ED's tree at Ancestry
I decided to have another look at her tree. No surnames or locations stood out, but I noticed she had a Caroline about the right age in her tree … the wife of Robert Welch and they had a daughter, Elmira born in Toronto, Canada.
Caroline Brimble
Our Caroline was baptised on 21 April, 1822 and appeared on the census for Kingston Deverill in 1841 with her parents and siblings and was described as 18 years of age, and a Farm Servant.
I went back to my notes on Caroline Brimble - I had searched marriages and deaths years ago, without any luck. At some point, I had also searched the English census for any Caroline's born about 1822 in Kingston Deverill - and had actually found a Robert and Caroline Welch living in Limpley Stoke, Wiltshire with three children. I hadn’t pursued this any further as I couldn’t find a marriage for this couple and searches of subsequent English censuses for this family had proved unsuccessful.
I then remembered that the GRO Indexes now include the mother's maiden name and found births for Jane Brimble, James Welch and William John Welch. All occurred in the Bradford Union which corresponded with the family I had identified on the 1851 census.
Jane and James Robert were baptised together at Limpley Stoke on 7 July 1850 the children of Robert and Caroline Welch.
Now that I had Worldwide access to Ancestry I searched the Census records for Canada and found a widowed Caroline Welsh in 1871 together with her two sons and daughters, Almyra, Caroline and Louisa, who had been born in Canada.
Based on the children’s births, the family must have immigrated to Canada between 1851-1855. James appears to have died some time prior to 1871.
Caroline has also been noted on the 1881 and 1891 census. In 1891 she was listed as Carry Welch, living with her married daughter, Carrie Freeman.
Caroline died 28 May 1893 at Elgin, Ontario of paralysis and is buried at St. Peter's Church Cemetery, Dunwich, Ontario.
So, after nearly 30 years, through collaboration, traditional research and more recently using DNA and specifically shared matches I am confident this is our Caroline and that we have sufficient evidence to now account for all of John and Sarah’s children.
Having confirmed the paper connection, we have also been able to identify shared matches back to Caroline’s grandparents, John Forward and Hannah Mills.
Shared Brimble/Forward DNA matches
My cousin, SH and dad’s third cousin, PA have shared their AncestryDNA matches with me and this has been really beneficial. This matrix shows who matches who within the cluster of our shared matches.
I’ve also put together a consolidated tree of our confirmed matches back to John Forward and Hannah Mills through the various branches of the family.
John Forward and Hannah Mills - known DNA matches
Confirmed Forward/Mills Segment Data
The icing on the cake has been finding a triangulated segment on Chromosome 16 back to Sarah’s parents, John Forward and Hannah Mills, through Sarah’s line and that of her brother James.
Although we have over 40 matches between us, most have tested at AncestryDNA - it would be wonderful if we could compare our results further at a site with a chromosome browser such as MyHeritage or at Gedmatch!